Comments on: Flashphone looks cool, but is it safe? http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/ Mr Blog. Very technical, or silly, sometimes absurd. Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:07:07 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: tamam http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-1744 tamam Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:48:02 +0000 http://mrblog.televolution.net/?p=362#comment-1744 i have checked my crdit card aggrements and i do not see anything that would preclude the normal protection that i recieve just because it was used to fund a SIP account. people also buy all sorts of things on ebay all the time without knowing much more about the entities they are dealing with than we do about flashphone. and i am not so sure that the russian cops would not be interested in going after the flashphone group if there was some evidence of fraud i have checked my crdit card aggrements and i do not see anything that would preclude the normal protection that i recieve just because it was used to fund a SIP account. people also buy all sorts of things on ebay all the time without knowing much more about the entities they are dealing with than we do about flashphone. and i am not so sure that the russian cops would not be interested in going after the flashphone group if there was some evidence of fraud

]]> By: tom http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-789 tom Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:38:06 +0000 http://mrblog.televolution.net/?p=362#comment-789 i have checked my crdit card aggrements and i do not see anything that would preclude the normal protection that i recieve just because it was used to fund a SIP account. people also buy all sorts of things on ebay all the time without knowing much more about the entities they are dealing with than we do about flashphone. and i am not so sure that the russian cops would not be interested in going after the flashphone group if there was some evidence of fraud i have checked my crdit card aggrements and i do not see anything that would preclude the normal protection that i recieve just because it was used to fund a SIP account. people also buy all sorts of things on ebay all the time without knowing much more about the entities they are dealing with than we do about flashphone. and i am not so sure that the russian cops would not be interested in going after the flashphone group if there was some evidence of fraud

]]> By: MrBlog http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-788 MrBlog Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:35:32 +0000 http://mrblog.televolution.net/?p=362#comment-788 I'm sorry tom, but providing my credentials to an anonymous entity 10,000 miles away (who knows where they are located really for that matter - it's just a domain after all) is not the same as paying with a credit card at a "resteraunt" [sic].<br /> <br /> First, credit cards do get stolen from restaurants, but credit cards can be cancelled and the consumer is protected. My SIP account balance has no such protectionn - I won't get my money back. Secondly, I know where the restaurant is and I can literally send the cops there if I have to. Whereas with Flashphone, I have nothing of the sort (no information at all about them, in fact).<br /> <br /> Thanks for providing that info FlashphoneTeam! I've updated the post. Can you provide more information on ISC LLC? What is the jurisdictiion of the LLC? Thanks. I’m sorry tom, but providing my credentials to an anonymous entity 10,000 miles away (who knows where they are located really for that matter – it’s just a domain after all) is not the same as paying with a credit card at a "resteraunt" [sic].

First, credit cards do get stolen from restaurants, but credit cards can be cancelled and the consumer is protected. My SIP account balance has no such protectionn – I won’t get my money back. Secondly, I know where the restaurant is and I can literally send the cops there if I have to. Whereas with Flashphone, I have nothing of the sort (no information at all about them, in fact).

Thanks for providing that info FlashphoneTeam! I’ve updated the post. Can you provide more information on ISC LLC? What is the jurisdictiion of the LLC? Thanks.

]]> By: FlashphoneTeam http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-787 FlashphoneTeam Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:28:08 +0000 http://mrblog.televolution.net/?p=362#comment-787 Hello, please read the following info:<br /> http://www.flashphone.ru/en/main/privacy<br /> <br /> Regards,<br /> FlashphoneTeam Hello, please read the following info:
http://www.flashphone.ru/en/main/privacy

Regards,
FlashphoneTeam

]]> By: tom http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-786 tom Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:16:39 +0000 http://mrblog.televolution.net/?p=362#comment-786 a lot of VOIP startups are very small bussiness's. funded on small capitol. russia is very burocratic. it is quite possible that forming a legal entity is way to of their budget as would be hiring a lawyer to help write terms of service or privacy policies.<br /> <br /> that does not mean that they are not honest hard working people. we give our credit card numbers to small shop and resteraunt owners everyday. this is not that much different. and remember it is not just internet startup the streets of russia are full of tiny kiosk retail shops that alos have no 'legal entity' behind them the way for example a 'seven eleven does' a lot of VOIP startups are very small bussiness’s. funded on small capitol. russia is very burocratic. it is quite possible that forming a legal entity is way to of their budget as would be hiring a lawyer to help write terms of service or privacy policies.

that does not mean that they are not honest hard working people. we give our credit card numbers to small shop and resteraunt owners everyday. this is not that much different. and remember it is not just internet startup the streets of russia are full of tiny kiosk retail shops that alos have no ‘legal entity’ behind them the way for example a ’seven eleven does’

]]> By: MrBlog http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-785 MrBlog Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:14:57 +0000 http://mrblog.televolution.net/?p=362#comment-785 Probably not, but until they provide at least some identifying information and provide a policy that says what they will and won't do (a policy with a legal entity behind it that permits enforcement) I'm not going to provide SIP credentials with real cash value to them.<br /> <br /> I don't understand how people can put up a commercial website with no information on who the commercial entity behind it is - nor do I understand why people use such a site under those conditions (Jaiku and Fring come to mind, who did the same thing when they opened their sites). Probably not, but until they provide at least some identifying information and provide a policy that says what they will and won’t do (a policy with a legal entity behind it that permits enforcement) I’m not going to provide SIP credentials with real cash value to them.

I don’t understand how people can put up a commercial website with no information on who the commercial entity behind it is – nor do I understand why people use such a site under those conditions (Jaiku and Fring come to mind, who did the same thing when they opened their sites).

]]> By: FlashphoneUser http://mrblog.org/2007/12/11/flashphone-looks-cool-but-is-it-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-784 FlashphoneUser Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:57:35 +0000 http://mrblog.televolution.net/?p=362#comment-784 They have just started, maybe they will provide the answers soon. I don't think that guys who invented this are theives and going to steal our money. They have just started, maybe they will provide the answers soon. I don’t think that guys who invented this are theives and going to steal our money.

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