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	<title>Comments on: Is Skype the new Palladium?</title>
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		<title>By: oli</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-5188</link>
		<dc:creator>oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;relayed transfer&quot; seems to only make sense in a case where you have 2 computers (with skype) on the same LAN and one of the computers is blocked from reaching the outside network. The blocked one would relay through the computer that has outside access. I don&#039;t see any other useful purpose for this implementation.

Just the fact that this is implemented and the eula doesn&#039;t clearly allow for it makes me wonder what other undocumented &quot;implementations&quot; skype offers...
...and doesn&#039;t China have a special version that they HAVE to use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;relayed transfer&#8221; seems to only make sense in a case where you have 2 computers (with skype) on the same LAN and one of the computers is blocked from reaching the outside network. The blocked one would relay through the computer that has outside access. I don&#8217;t see any other useful purpose for this implementation.</p>
<p>Just the fact that this is implemented and the eula doesn&#8217;t clearly allow for it makes me wonder what other undocumented &#8220;implementations&#8221; skype offers&#8230;<br />
&#8230;and doesn&#8217;t China have a special version that they HAVE to use?</p>
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		<title>By: Svankensen</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Svankensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point ask your self do I want my computer, bandwidth &amp; IP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point ask your self do I want my computer, bandwidth &#038; IP</p>
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		<title>By: MrBlog</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>MrBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a middle ground between these two positions (JEpley and Yonah).&lt;br /&gt;
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I think my point is, if they are not going to do anything harmful, why don&#039;t they say so in the EULA?&lt;br /&gt;
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If they aren&#039;t doing anything harmful, how about showing us the source code?  &lt;br /&gt;
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If they aren&#039;t going to do anything harmful, why do they require our permission to do so?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a middle ground between these two positions (JEpley and Yonah).</p>
<p>I think my point is, if they are not going to do anything harmful, why don&#8217;t they say so in the EULA?</p>
<p>If they aren&#8217;t doing anything harmful, how about showing us the source code?  </p>
<p>If they aren&#8217;t going to do anything harmful, why do they require our permission to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Yonah</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JEpley: &quot;the EULA clearly states that they are going to use your PC, bandwidth &amp; resources&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, big deal.  How much isn&#039;t stated.  Which is great for you. That gives you the green light to sound the alarm bell that the sky is falling and Skype is going to take over your computer first and the world second.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please.  There isn&#039;t anything &quot;Virus&quot; like about the program at all, not do you have the proper knowledge to even define what a virus actually is.  Criminals will use any system.  Word of mouth, telephone, snail mail, or message in a bottle.  The encryption system is used to keep phone calls and IM from being leaked to other users in the network, and is a nice feature for those living in a country like China.  Unlike you, I&#039;ve actually used the program.  It works great, I pay a flat rate to call phone in the USA unlimited, and .02 cents a minute to China.&lt;br /&gt;
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You&#039;re like a child.  Always crying &quot;Mine, mine, mine!&quot;  What good are you to the rest of us?  What good is a society where everyone is only concerned for themselves and scoffs at the very idea of sharing any resource or utility with another?  So a small portion of bandwidth and CPU time are given to a network which benefits the others that use it.  Not a problem for most people.  But a selfish bastard like you?  That&#039;s ground for all out war.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JEpley: &quot;the EULA clearly states that they are going to use your PC, bandwidth &#038; resources&quot;</p>
<p>Yes, big deal.  How much isn&#8217;t stated.  Which is great for you. That gives you the green light to sound the alarm bell that the sky is falling and Skype is going to take over your computer first and the world second.</p>
<p>Please.  There isn&#8217;t anything &quot;Virus&quot; like about the program at all, not do you have the proper knowledge to even define what a virus actually is.  Criminals will use any system.  Word of mouth, telephone, snail mail, or message in a bottle.  The encryption system is used to keep phone calls and IM from being leaked to other users in the network, and is a nice feature for those living in a country like China.  Unlike you, I&#8217;ve actually used the program.  It works great, I pay a flat rate to call phone in the USA unlimited, and .02 cents a minute to China.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re like a child.  Always crying &quot;Mine, mine, mine!&quot;  What good are you to the rest of us?  What good is a society where everyone is only concerned for themselves and scoffs at the very idea of sharing any resource or utility with another?  So a small portion of bandwidth and CPU time are given to a network which benefits the others that use it.  Not a problem for most people.  But a selfish bastard like you?  That&#8217;s ground for all out war.</p>
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		<title>By: JEpley</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>JEpley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, you wrote &lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;There is a lot of paranoia here - I take it you are all american and have probably been abducted by aliens as well. Anyway, as A user said - sit behind a firewall - problem solved. The routing element of skype is NOT fundamental as it only tries to speed up the calls between point to point - in most instances the two IPs will communicate directly, hence sitting behind a firewall will not denegrate the Skype network.&lt;br /&gt;
And as for Mr Blog who reckons skype deterred others from quoting his blog - yeah right, whatever !!! Did they send the boys round and ask them not to. Maybe the feds paid them a visit huh ? Or the secrect service ? Why people feel the need to knock skype is beyond me - p2p and the cumulative power of internet linked hardware is clearly the way forward in computer technology, but dinosaurs dont like change I guess... &quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Skype&#039;s EULA states &quot;4.1 Permission to utilize Your computer. In order to receive the benefits provided by the Skype Software, you hereby grant permission for the Skype Software to utilize the processor and bandwidth of Your computer for the limited purpose of facilitating the communication between You and other Skype Software users.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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You can</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, you wrote </p>
<p>&quot;There is a lot of paranoia here &#8211; I take it you are all american and have probably been abducted by aliens as well. Anyway, as A user said &#8211; sit behind a firewall &#8211; problem solved. The routing element of skype is NOT fundamental as it only tries to speed up the calls between point to point &#8211; in most instances the two IPs will communicate directly, hence sitting behind a firewall will not denegrate the Skype network.<br />
And as for Mr Blog who reckons skype deterred others from quoting his blog &#8211; yeah right, whatever !!! Did they send the boys round and ask them not to. Maybe the feds paid them a visit huh ? Or the secrect service ? Why people feel the need to knock skype is beyond me &#8211; p2p and the cumulative power of internet linked hardware is clearly the way forward in computer technology, but dinosaurs dont like change I guess&#8230; &quot; </p>
<p>Skype&#8217;s EULA states &quot;4.1 Permission to utilize Your computer. In order to receive the benefits provided by the Skype Software, you hereby grant permission for the Skype Software to utilize the processor and bandwidth of Your computer for the limited purpose of facilitating the communication between You and other Skype Software users.&quot; </p>
<p>You can</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. No</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-436</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. No</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 20:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is everything being told about Spype, sorry, Skype ;-)&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
Note: those guys are no Hillbillies, EADS is a global leader in aerospace, defence and related services...&lt;br /&gt;
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no skype no mor for me...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is everything being told about Spype, sorry, Skype <img src='http://mrblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<a href="http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf</a><br />
Note: those guys are no Hillbillies, EADS is a global leader in aerospace, defence and related services&#8230;</p>
<p>no skype no mor for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ladi ladi</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>ladi ladi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a NEW user to the whole Internet telephony game, and i raaaaarely, if never besides today read privacy statements as i am generally to lazy and really don&#039;t give a crap.  But this situation was different, prompting me to to think twice about what i was agreeing to since it is my private conversations and information over a network that i am very unaware of.&lt;br /&gt;
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I read the privacy statement, and i did find this entire thread&#039;s topic alarming also, as it implied using my computer as a node to carry other conversations which may not even involve me at all. But i also came accross more that i was interested in...&lt;br /&gt;
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My question to you guys since you strike me to be well informed on the subject and program, is, as i believe i was reading in the privacy statement,  is it true that skype uses the transmission data (our conversations) for marketing purposes and hence assumes full authority of our conversations and the content?  Can they read our conversations like a book on their server screens?  I&#039;m not paranoid, however, i am only being reasonable to my natural inhertied right to a private conversation without having the marketing world analyze, use, and sell segments of my personal data they feel useful. &lt;br /&gt;
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#3, Does anyone here know of any more secure, private, respected internet telephone services (programs) that you may ultimately pay a little more for, but gain with privacy? I think a few extra pennies/min are worth some privacy. &lt;br /&gt;
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#4 Maybe i am wrong about how Skype handels the conversational content, but please feel free to point out otherwise. &lt;br /&gt;
Thanks,&lt;br /&gt;
ladi ladi
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a NEW user to the whole Internet telephony game, and i raaaaarely, if never besides today read privacy statements as i am generally to lazy and really don&#8217;t give a crap.  But this situation was different, prompting me to to think twice about what i was agreeing to since it is my private conversations and information over a network that i am very unaware of.</p>
<p>I read the privacy statement, and i did find this entire thread&#8217;s topic alarming also, as it implied using my computer as a node to carry other conversations which may not even involve me at all. But i also came accross more that i was interested in&#8230;</p>
<p>My question to you guys since you strike me to be well informed on the subject and program, is, as i believe i was reading in the privacy statement,  is it true that skype uses the transmission data (our conversations) for marketing purposes and hence assumes full authority of our conversations and the content?  Can they read our conversations like a book on their server screens?  I&#8217;m not paranoid, however, i am only being reasonable to my natural inhertied right to a private conversation without having the marketing world analyze, use, and sell segments of my personal data they feel useful. </p>
<p>#3, Does anyone here know of any more secure, private, respected internet telephone services (programs) that you may ultimately pay a little more for, but gain with privacy? I think a few extra pennies/min are worth some privacy. </p>
<p>#4 Maybe i am wrong about how Skype handels the conversational content, but please feel free to point out otherwise. <br />
Thanks,<br />
ladi ladi</p>
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		<title>By: McGroarty</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>McGroarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mart is being less than truthful here. If Skype can negotiate an inbound connection port with your firewall (this is usually done via UDP or uPnP) you are still susceptible to becoming a relay.&lt;br /&gt;
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Further, in many countries you become responsible for communications routed through your network.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mart is being less than truthful here. If Skype can negotiate an inbound connection port with your firewall (this is usually done via UDP or uPnP) you are still susceptible to becoming a relay.</p>
<p>Further, in many countries you become responsible for communications routed through your network.</p>
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		<title>By: Mart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of paranoia here - I take it you are all american and have probably been abducted by aliens as well.  Anyway, as A user said - sit behind a firewall - problem solved.  The routing element of skype is NOT fundamental as it only tries to speed up the calls between point to point - in most instances the two IPs will communicate directly, hence sitting behind a firewall will not denegrate the Skype network.&lt;br /&gt;
And as for Mr Blog who reckons skype deterred others from quoting his blog - yeah right, whatever !!!  Did they send the boys round and ask them not to.  Maybe the feds paid them a visit huh ?  Or the secrect service ?  Why people feel the need to knock skype is beyond me - p2p and the cumulative power of internet linked hardware is clearly the way forward in computer technology, but dinosaurs dont like change I guess...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of paranoia here &#8211; I take it you are all american and have probably been abducted by aliens as well.  Anyway, as A user said &#8211; sit behind a firewall &#8211; problem solved.  The routing element of skype is NOT fundamental as it only tries to speed up the calls between point to point &#8211; in most instances the two IPs will communicate directly, hence sitting behind a firewall will not denegrate the Skype network.<br />
And as for Mr Blog who reckons skype deterred others from quoting his blog &#8211; yeah right, whatever !!!  Did they send the boys round and ask them not to.  Maybe the feds paid them a visit huh ?  Or the secrect service ?  Why people feel the need to knock skype is beyond me &#8211; p2p and the cumulative power of internet linked hardware is clearly the way forward in computer technology, but dinosaurs dont like change I guess&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Paol</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/02/07/is-skype-the-new-palladium/comment-page-1/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Paol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone tried the new video skype&lt;br /&gt;
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www.skypesee.com&lt;br /&gt;
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Fantastic ! and long overdue
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone tried the new video skype</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skypesee.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.skypesee.com</a></p>
<p>Fantastic ! and long overdue</p>
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