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		<title>By: Christian Rees</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/01/20/voip-road-closed-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could not agree more David.&lt;br /&gt;
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We are looking at the old tug-of-war between open standards advocates and monopoly builders, where corporations are trying to lock unwary consumers into their walled-garden, proprietary systems. PoIP, though today mostly based on the revolutionary SIP, is a good example of this, Skype is another.&lt;br /&gt;
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What we need is a change in mindset, away from phone numbers, towards SIP URI&#039;s. The phone number &quot;namespace&quot; is controlled by the phone companies, whereas domain names are for anyone to get and &quot;own&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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This will eventually crack up the retro PSTN-emulations, and unveil them as what they are, merely incremental rather then revolutionary.&lt;br /&gt;
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What IMHO is needed are:&lt;br /&gt;
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1) a good open source pure SIP client app, supporting voice, video and the SIP based IM standards SIMPLE + XCAP + MSRP. It should support ICE, so that NAT traversal becomes a non-issue. And of course it should be &quot;easy to use&quot;. Of course we also need the server counterpart; iptel.org&#039;s SER is pretty close, lacking the IM aspect AFAIK.&lt;br /&gt;
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2) hardware clients that support URI dialing. This pretty much rules out all forms of ATAs. Ideally, a combined GSM/UMTS/WiFi phone, with 802.1x support (roaming authentication). Let&#039;s see if the UMTS/3GPP incorporation of SIP in the IMS ever bears any fruit, other then being a closed system, used behind the scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
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P.S. Chris Holland, congratulations, you are &quot;getting it&quot; :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could not agree more David.</p>
<p>We are looking at the old tug-of-war between open standards advocates and monopoly builders, where corporations are trying to lock unwary consumers into their walled-garden, proprietary systems. PoIP, though today mostly based on the revolutionary SIP, is a good example of this, Skype is another.</p>
<p>What we need is a change in mindset, away from phone numbers, towards SIP URI&#8217;s. The phone number &quot;namespace&quot; is controlled by the phone companies, whereas domain names are for anyone to get and &quot;own&quot;.</p>
<p>This will eventually crack up the retro PSTN-emulations, and unveil them as what they are, merely incremental rather then revolutionary.</p>
<p>What IMHO is needed are:</p>
<p>1) a good open source pure SIP client app, supporting voice, video and the SIP based IM standards SIMPLE + XCAP + MSRP. It should support ICE, so that NAT traversal becomes a non-issue. And of course it should be &quot;easy to use&quot;. Of course we also need the server counterpart; iptel.org&#8217;s SER is pretty close, lacking the IM aspect AFAIK.</p>
<p>2) hardware clients that support URI dialing. This pretty much rules out all forms of ATAs. Ideally, a combined GSM/UMTS/WiFi phone, with 802.1x support (roaming authentication). Let&#8217;s see if the UMTS/3GPP incorporation of SIP in the IMS ever bears any fruit, other then being a closed system, used behind the scenes.</p>
<p>P.S. Chris Holland, congratulations, you are &quot;getting it&quot; <img src='http://mrblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: N Ahuja</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/01/20/voip-road-closed-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>N Ahuja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that</description>
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		<title>By: chris holland</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/01/20/voip-road-closed-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>chris holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>any chance SIP, which ought to be about more than just voice, will make things more &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.broadbandblog.com/archives/2005/01/18/sip-fun-and-frolics-in-communications/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exciting&lt;/a&gt;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any chance SIP, which ought to be about more than just voice, will make things more <a href=&quot;http://www.broadbandblog.com/archives/2005/01/18/sip-fun-and-frolics-in-communications/&quot; rel="nofollow">exciting</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: MrBlog</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/01/20/voip-road-closed-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>MrBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong.  I haven;t given up on VoIP&#039;s ultimate potential (yet), but I certainly don&#039;t think the direction things are going takes us there.&lt;br /&gt;
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There is still room for something disruptive, but I&#039;d argue we haven&#039;t seen it yet. Perhaps Skype, or something like it, evolves into it.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s quite clear to me that Vonage and the rest of the POIP herd don&#039;t represent it.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the current choices and direction are all we&#039;re going to get, well shame on us for letting it happen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I haven;t given up on VoIP&#8217;s ultimate potential (yet), but I certainly don&#8217;t think the direction things are going takes us there.</p>
<p>There is still room for something disruptive, but I&#8217;d argue we haven&#8217;t seen it yet. Perhaps Skype, or something like it, evolves into it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite clear to me that Vonage and the rest of the POIP herd don&#8217;t represent it.</p>
<p>If the current choices and direction are all we&#8217;re going to get, well shame on us for letting it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Taylor</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/01/20/voip-road-closed-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in violent agreement as well. I&#039;ve been a skeptic about VoIP for close to a decade. Yes, I am a user and a Vonage customer, but the value proposition for Vonage is the price and the bundle. It&#039;s not as if the services in the bundle haven&#039;t been available on POTS for a very long time. And I&#039;d argue that UltraForward still works better on POTS than VoIP.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the mobile space where I&#039;ve been working recently, there&#039;s a lot of talk about doing VoIP on a cell phone over 802.11 - part of the idea is to either provide a network connection at a lower cost than cellular or to provide connectivity where signal is poor (e.g. in an office park). &lt;br /&gt;
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In the end, cellular VoIP over 802.11 is just cellular telephony that - when it works as planned - is as seamless as roaming from one cell site to another. The signal issues can also be resolved with traditional network engineering and bi-directional amplifiers. But RF isn&#039;t IP and will never get the same type of hype in the press.&lt;br /&gt;
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So much for the better mousetrap.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in violent agreement as well. I&#8217;ve been a skeptic about VoIP for close to a decade. Yes, I am a user and a Vonage customer, but the value proposition for Vonage is the price and the bundle. It&#8217;s not as if the services in the bundle haven&#8217;t been available on POTS for a very long time. And I&#8217;d argue that UltraForward still works better on POTS than VoIP.</p>
<p>In the mobile space where I&#8217;ve been working recently, there&#8217;s a lot of talk about doing VoIP on a cell phone over 802.11 &#8211; part of the idea is to either provide a network connection at a lower cost than cellular or to provide connectivity where signal is poor (e.g. in an office park). </p>
<p>In the end, cellular VoIP over 802.11 is just cellular telephony that &#8211; when it works as planned &#8211; is as seamless as roaming from one cell site to another. The signal issues can also be resolved with traditional network engineering and bi-directional amplifiers. But RF isn&#8217;t IP and will never get the same type of hype in the press.</p>
<p>So much for the better mousetrap.</p>
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		<title>By: Herme Garcia</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/01/20/voip-road-closed-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Herme Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely Right!,&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree .. even if I&#039;m one of the founders of a 5 years old, really pioneer ITSP in Spain.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure, someone has to re-invent voice conversations in the Internet era, the rest are just copying.&lt;br /&gt;
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Amazon doesn&#039;t re-invent the book, just sell them online, we are just selling calls online, no more fancy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we need Tim Berners II to invent another paradigm?&lt;br /&gt;
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Meanwhile, don&#039;t sweat, it&#039;s little more than just call cheaper!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely Right!,</p>
<p>I agree .. even if I&#8217;m one of the founders of a 5 years old, really pioneer ITSP in Spain.</p>
<p>Sure, someone has to re-invent voice conversations in the Internet era, the rest are just copying.</p>
<p>Amazon doesn&#8217;t re-invent the book, just sell them online, we are just selling calls online, no more fancy.</p>
<p>Do we need Tim Berners II to invent another paradigm?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, don&#8217;t sweat, it&#8217;s little more than just call cheaper!</p>
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		<title>By: JC Francois</title>
		<link>http://mrblog.org/2005/01/20/voip-road-closed-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>JC Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, probably at the time you were posting this I was adding a similar piece to my blog:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;So what&#039;s been holding me from adopting Skype? Skype is a proprietary solution. Users are escaping from the prison of the POTS only to jump into the walled garden of Skype...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.noirextreme.com/node/47
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, probably at the time you were posting this I was adding a similar piece to my blog:</p>
<p><i>&quot;So what&#8217;s been holding me from adopting Skype? Skype is a proprietary solution. Users are escaping from the prison of the POTS only to jump into the walled garden of Skype&#8230;&quot;</i><br />
<a href="http://www.noirextreme.com/node/47" rel="nofollow">http://www.noirextreme.com/node/47</a></p>
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